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CSJ
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For some reason, the javascript in the posting system is utterly broken for me; tested across opera, firefox and chrome. Clicking the smilies does nothing, no frames for code, etc. I'd like to be able to use formatting without typing the tags by hand or reverting to html. Sorry if this has already been noticed, just putting it out there.
01-12-2018, 11:49 PM
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Dalmationer
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ye, the report button's broke too rn.

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01-22-2018, 06:25 AM
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Wheat
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Is there a possibility of getting another admin? Preferably someone young. I know this might sound confrontational but I'm kinda worried about eagle time repeating the same mistake that the mspaf made of putting trust in only one age group that ended up not having the energy/enthusiasm to take care of the forum for an increasingly-younger userbase.

I think that giving admin powers to someone from the next generation of forum-goers to take care of back-end stuff would be good for keeping this in working condition for years to come.

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01-30-2018, 03:12 AM
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Reyweld
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I'm not entirely sure if it's needed, although I would throw in my hat for suggestion if we do want a Younger Moderator (although I'm relatively not much younger than Schazer). I'm also not entirely sure what I would be responsible for.

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01-30-2018, 03:37 AM
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Wheat
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Not a mod, an admin who could take care of back-end stuff (like fixing a bunch of stuff that's been broken since the update). I'll pay for it (if the admins are okay with taking on another admin)

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01-30-2018, 04:11 AM
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a52
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I would help, since I know a bit of HTML + JavaScript, but I don't think I would have the time. I think you'd run into that issue for anyone still in college/high school, which most younger users are.
01-30-2018, 04:43 AM
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Reyweld
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I always think of admin as being higher up than moderator, just based on the words themselves. And I didn't realize having more admins cost more money??? That seems wild to me.

I only know a pittance of Javascript/Html so probably I'm not the best choice.

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(03-02-2015, 02:07 AM)Papers Wrote: i don't know what i expected from reyweld's new hawkspace thread
(06-02-2016, 04:16 AM)Schazer Wrote: Tokyo could kick your scrawny ass
(11-10-2017, 06:39 PM)Myeth Wrote: reach for the stars
And then annihilate them as a powermove
01-30-2018, 03:00 PM
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Gatr
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There's been a lot of spambots posting muscle growth hormones or whatever in specifically the Forum Games subforum and I can't help but feel like I'm somehow responsible.

Like, I guess I'm reporting it though everyone knows but I also want to know why the specific subforum and content.

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01-30-2018, 03:25 PM
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Wheat
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(01-30-2018, 03:00 PM)Reyweld Wrote: I always think of admin as being higher up than moderator, just based on the words themselves. And I didn't realize having more admins cost more money??? That seems wild to me.

I only know a pittance of Javascript/Html so probably I'm not the best choice.

they don't cost more money i'd just offer for help since it's busywork

admins have access to administrative tools (which include backend things) and mod tools, mods only have mod tools

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01-31-2018, 07:25 AM
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Mirdini
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Yeah I reckon the issue would mostly be finding someone that knows how to tinker with forum code and who also has the time/enthusiasm to do so.
02-01-2018, 05:49 PM
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Wheat
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Mostly it's that several features of the forum have been broken for almost half a year since the update, so it wouldn't be like a full time, or even part time job. just like someone do a list of fixes when someone gets around to it, and that'd be most of the total work besides zapping spambots (if a better spam filter isn't one of the fixes)

i'm actually wondering if changing the spambot-filter question upon signup might help ward off spambots for a bit?

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02-04-2018, 02:15 AM
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a52
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Oh yeah, I could definitely help out with that. I'd be more comfortable being more of a html monkey/handyman than a proper admin or whatever. (And just taking a look at the code and trying to fix stuff is the sort of thing I would like to do anyway.)

But before we talk about this further, we should probably contact Pinary/Schazer and ask their opinions?
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02-04-2018, 03:27 AM
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Wheat
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schaz has seen this thread a few days ago after my first post, they'll probably comment at some point after some discussion

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02-04-2018, 03:32 AM
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Schazer
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Hey gang, I've had a chat with Pinary and have been keeping abreast of the conversation that tbh has been going on for well over a year now. We decided the first step toward implementing newer features folks were asking for would first require a forums software upgrade, so that happened back in August last year.

Unfortunately as we're all aware, doing so broken stuff all over the show (bbcode shortcuts, smilies, front page links, etc etc etc). Fixing all this stuff is not really doable through assigning more Moderators or Administrators (as admins' code-wrangling is primarily restricted to CSS and some templates). What we'd need is essentially a new webmaster.

Whoever's gonna fix this would require file and database access, which is a level of access we can't really fine-tune to make a sandbox at the likes of dodo.eagle-time.com. At this stage Pinary acknowledges he's not going to have the chunk of free time necessary to make major fixes, so if there's someone we can trust (both with Our Child and also to get fixes done in a reasonable timeframe) then we'd be willing to hand the keys over.

Pinary Wrote:MyBB is built on PHP and MySQL, so those and CSS would be the useful things

Given where we've been at on progress on fixing things, I'd happily pay out of my own pocket for someone to get in there and make some fixes. Pinary has backups (and can answer questions pretty promptly even if he's got no time to tinker himself), so it doesn't need to be a pro! Just someone with the know-how and time to fix things even if it's through trial and error would make faster progress than what we've got now.
02-05-2018, 01:57 AM
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wiltingMyosotis
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I'm not too advanced in php and css, but may i try looking at the code? it's fine if i can't do so, though!

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02-05-2018, 02:53 AM
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Sunspider
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I'm certainly not a professional webmaster, and I'm more experienced in Front-End than Back-End Web Dev. Even so, this is something I'm actively studying right now, and it dovetails pretty well with work I'm doing (or hope to soon be doing) professionally.

If nothing else, I'd be happy to commit regular hours to ironing out problems and implementing new features, even though I'll definitely need to learn as I go.
02-05-2018, 03:07 AM
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CSJ
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Is it possible to build a fork of the site for testing and the like? It will be safer for the main site if a parallel codebase was used for this sort of thing in the future. For now, the usability of the site is such that if you can rollback the changes to the last unbuggy version (it at all possible), it would be appreciated.
02-05-2018, 04:13 AM
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a52
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I'd love to be able to just tinker with it occasionally, but if timeliness/high access levels are an issue, it's probably best you just stick with Spoids.

A private fork, like CSJ suggested, would be great since multiple people could help here and there, but we'd have to make sure there weren't any security issues -- either with what's available on the fork, or with what changes people made.
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02-05-2018, 04:25 AM
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Schazer
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Dodo.eagle-time.com is essentially one such fork, so to speak. The only trouble is that giving access to the backend of that without also giving access to Eagle-time.com isn't feasible (according to Pinary, who knows this shit waaaaay better than I do).

Timeliness as a factor is currently at "ideal, but doing so probably requires paying a pro to do it" which conflicts pretty heavily with my personally important factor of "try and keep this a community thing instead of outsourcing it, both for security reasons and giving members of the community an opportunity."

If Pinary could wrangle a way to log changes to the forum's backend (to notice+undo unwanted changes to the main site), then giving out access to several trusted people and making the site-fixing a more sandbox experience would be doable? I'll have to discuss that with him.
02-05-2018, 05:16 AM
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BRPXQZME
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Yes, the tech definitely exists to do that (e.g. a git repository). It’s kinda involved tho.

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02-05-2018, 03:50 PM
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SeaWyrm
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Git is good. I put everything in git repos. I'm keeping SixtyFour Pixel Colonists in a (local to my computer) git repo. I put my creative writing stuff in git repos. I put my configuration files in a git repo. Everything in git repos!

If Eagle Time's backend code had a private git repo hosted on GitLab or something, that would be cool. (Or GitHub, but you have to pay for private repos there.) But that doesn't solve the problem of deploying those changes to the actual server.
02-05-2018, 05:50 PM
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BRPXQZME
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If you have shell access and the tools installed (that is a big if), it’s trivial to just pull a branch when desired. The technical details are one thing, but can be learned or worked around.

To clarify: it’s specifically the vetting process that takes time and can’t/shouldn’t be avoided. Trivial changes to templates and stuff aren’t likely to wreck the place up, for instance (I did that for a phpBB forum I posted on a lot when I was like... 13 or 14), but coders write all sorts of security flaws, most of them unintentionally.

And then some things people might desire, like adding emoticons, is more of a frontend thing anyhoo.

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02-05-2018, 06:14 PM
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SeaWyrm
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(02-05-2018, 06:14 PM)BRPXQZME Wrote: it’s trivial to just pull a branch when desired.
Sure, but someone still has to actually do it. Or at least set up a cron job to do it automatically. And what if someone wants to test their own changes?

I agree about the vetting process.
02-05-2018, 06:22 PM
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Schazer
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Talked it out with Pinary; installing Git isn't going to be feasible given the fact our "server is co-hosted through a provider".

What we do have is a whole extra copy of the forums at dodo.eagle-time.com, so Sunspider+Pinary can make changes there and be sure there's no bugs before changing the equivalent files within Eagle Time's stuff. While rolling back changes on Dodo will probably just be a matter of "save a copy of the original and replace it back in if changes break things" rather than an automated version control, that at least allows Sunspider the responsiveness they're going to need.

To folks who said they would like to tinker: While I would have loved to open up the software so lots of folks could try and help, security and ease of testing+implementing is going to be too difficult to make it work - given my lack of techspertise, Pinary's unavailability, and Sunspider's preference to not mix managing+facilitating a team on top of their own coding efforts. What we can maybe-hopefully do is copy and redistribute chunks of code for various forum elements (the broken javascript for the smilies popup box, or the post editor come to mind), once Soli knows what they'd like to work on.

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For now, Soli/Sunspider's been given admin permissions on Eagle Time (so they can see what tools are available in the ACP) and will be given webmaster access once Pinary can set that up. We've discussed compensation for the time they're going to spend working on the site, and agreed a tip jar system is best. That way, Sunspider can keep everyone up-to-date on changes they've made, and people can support them in a zero-obligations way.

Sunspider will be accepting tips here: https://ko-fi.com/dayhold (requires paypal)
02-06-2018, 03:15 AM
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Sounds good!
02-06-2018, 05:52 AM
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