Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems

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Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
#51
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
They should be fun, but simultaneously humiliating. Fun enough that they aren't really a huge deal but unfun enough that they do deter rule-breaking.
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#52
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
no, i don't think people should be humiliated
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#53
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
Not actually humiliated, you know what I mean.
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#54
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yeah fair
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#55
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
loather what happened to your personpicture
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#56
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
changing user titles in specific is a so-called "punishment" that's comically petty, even impotent, and goofy to match. it might not be isolated in its effects to just hawkspace after dark and maybe fails there, but when it's so insignificant that its very insignificance is a joke (much like my dick) it's super-super-hard to care.

if there are no penalties or consequences, no matter how impotent, that accompany any of the goofy silly rules that hawkspace after dark is meant to explore, there's no reason to even have the rules. if there's no reason to have them, there's no will to make them, and the central conceit of this joke subsubforum dissipates in a fit of apathy and we just end up with regular hawkspace mk. II. the voting is the whole dang point of the sub-sub-forum, if we were going to do it that way we might as well have just made a fake voting thread that didn't actually effect anything in regular hawkspace. in other words, being mandatory is absolutely a prerequisite for having a subforum-wide game.
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#57
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
sorry i'm being really bitter and argumentative
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#58
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my personal inclination is that people should follow them because that's kind of the point of being here but be able to opt out when they don't want to but still want to be part of a conversation happening here, but i'm neither pants nor bowtie here
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#59
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
(04-27-2016, 05:02 AM)☆ C.H.W.O.K.A ☆ Wrote: »changing user titles in specific is a so-called "punishment" that's comically petty, even impotent, and goofy to match. it might not be isolated in its effects to just hawkspace after dark and maybe fails there, but when it's so insignificant that its very insignificance is a joke (much like my dick) it's super-super-hard to care.

if there are no penalties or consequences, no matter how impotent, that accompany any of the goofy silly rules that hawkspace after dark is meant to explore, there's no reason to even have the rules. if there's no reason to have them, there's no will to make them, and the central conceit of this joke subsubforum dissipates in a fit of apathy and we just end up with regular hawkspace mk. II. the voting is the whole dang point of the sub-sub-forum, if we were going to do it that way we might as well have just made a fake voting thread that didn't actually effect anything in regular hawkspace. in other words, being mandatory is absolutely a prerequisite for having a subforum-wide game.

yeah i'm feeling this
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#60
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
I AWAIT THE UNIVERSAL DEATH.
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#61
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
I think encouraging a degree of rule-breaking is a positive (as long as the rules are frivolous ones), but I agree that we shouldn't provide incentive only to break rules or that's going to get annoying in other ways.

Honestly we don't need the points, we could just have the "nothing" option and trust that people are good sports who will go for one of the others if they feel like it. I just thought rewards could make it a little more fun to participate in.

Really, the basic model I'm suggesting is "there's a game going on across the whole subforum with weird rules, but you don't have to take part in it if you don't want to". I feel like that addresses most of the concerns brought up here.
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#62
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
oh my god dragonfogel you can have all of that and more in literally any subforum that isn't this one
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#63
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the whole point of this subforum is the silly rules and if there's no punishment or reward or anything you're left with literally hawkspace
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#64
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
like if you don't want to participate in it just shitpost in hawkspace, there is nothing stopping you from doing that. it's not like this forum is going to have big serious conversations or anything
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#65
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
you're arguing for people to be able to join in a game while totally ignoring the rules of that game when games are defined by rules

i'm running out of ways to describe what's bothering me here
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#66
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
(04-27-2016, 05:02 AM)☆ C.H.W.O.K.A ☆ Wrote: »changing user titles in specific is a so-called "punishment" that's comically petty, even impotent, and goofy to match. it might not be isolated in its effects to just hawkspace after dark and maybe fails there, but when it's so insignificant that its very insignificance is a joke (much like my dick) it's super-super-hard to care.

if there are no penalties or consequences, no matter how impotent, that accompany any of the goofy silly rules that hawkspace after dark is meant to explore, there's no reason to even have the rules. if there's no reason to have them, there's no will to make them, and the central conceit of this joke subsubforum dissipates in a fit of apathy and we just end up with regular hawkspace mk. II. the voting is the whole dang point of the sub-sub-forum, if we were going to do it that way we might as well have just made a fake voting thread that didn't actually effect anything in regular hawkspace. in other words, being mandatory is absolutely a prerequisite for having a subforum-wide game.

I disagree. I think, in the long term, it is actively harmful to the game to make it mandatory.

If the game aspect is optional, you get more people posting here, and you get people posting here at times when they don't really feel like dealing with the game aspects. That means more posts, which means more content for the game side of things to deal with.

If the game is mandatory, then if people don't feel like dealing with the game, they don't post here. Threads get less activity, and there are just fewer opportunities for the rules to be relevant.
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#67
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
WHEN YOU MAKE RULES, YOU MUST BE SPECIFIC FOR THE FRINGE CASES OTHERWISE PEOPLE WILL SAY "OH WHAT, YOU ENFORCED THAT? I'M MAD NOW!" ALSO, YOU MUST SPECIFY A CONSEQUENCE BEFOREHAND. SIMPLY HAVING YOUR TITLE CHANGED IS A ONE TIME DEAL AND ONCE SOMEONE HAS THE TITLE, ONE CAN GO ON BREAKING RULES WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCE. ALSO, ANY INDIVIDUAL INITIATIVE TAKEN BY A SPECIFIC MOD/AUTHORITY FOR SPECIFIC CONSEQUENCE MAY LIKEWISE CREATE CONFLICT BETWEEN THE MOD AND THE MODDED WHEN THE MODDED SAYS "WHY THAT? THAT'S NOT FAIR." THIS IS WHY IT'S GOOD TO BE SPECIFIC IN RULE MAKING, BECAUSE THAT WAY PEOPLE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.

THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT MAY CAUSE CONFLICT, WITH REGARD TO RULES. THANK YOU FOR READING.
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#68
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
THE MOST DANGEROUS GAME IS MAN.
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#69
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
Loather.

There are Hawkspace threads being moved here.

Some of those are threads I've posted in.

If you say those threads are off-limits to me now because they're part of the game and I don't want to deal with the game, that is interfering with my Hawkspace experience. So I think it is hardly unfair in any way for me to complain about it.

Even without that, there are threads here that are going to interest me! Yes, I could start a new thread on the same subject in Hawkspace, but there's no good reason for that either.
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#70
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
i'm fine with not moving hawkspace threads as a compromise
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#71
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
i'm not as fine with completely throwing out the entire point of this subforum though
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#72
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
whatever. there's maybe like three people that are even playing along at this point, fuck it
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#73
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
It is not "throwing it out".

It is making it something you don't have to deal with if you don't want to.

"a subforum-wide game that a lot of the people are participating in" is a significant difference from Hawkspace even if it's not mandatory. The difference only disappears if there's a general view that the game isn't fun enough to bother with any more.

I view it as more of allowing people to spectate while still contributing actively to discussions, and thus, indirectly, to the game. I don't see how this is going to be a problem unless the game stops getting participants, which is a problem for the mandatory version too.
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#74
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
you don't have to deal with it though

nobody is making you read or post here

you can stick to regular hawkspace and nobody would complain
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#75
RE: Some Real-Talk: Hawkspace After Dark Problems
do you want me to start wandering into grand battles and start posting unrelated junk there? would that be fair to the people participating in that?
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