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GIVE Tubes a device that can generate small, self-powered computers that he can stick anywhere he wants. The bare minimum for him to connect to using his fabulous internet powers. Encourage him to stick them anywhere he can.

TEACH Tubes advanced Computer Science skills, including computer architecture and assembly level programming.

CREATE a very large box of robotics components. Have the three of them use all their math, engineering, and programming skills to create fun little RC robots, toys, and tools. Let them explore their god-gifted expertise!
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teach tubes how to make ytp videos
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CREATE: A section in the fun dungeon where there's pools of honey.
CREATE: Healium ore and Treatite ore.
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Create: Paths connecting important places on our home planetoid
Create: A giant block of smooth black marble with the phrase "We trust you" engraved on all sides.
Create Note: "Look at this block when you feel the need for guidance."
Create: Weapons Catalogue

Teach All: Independence

Create Final Honest Letter:
"Dearest Windy, Fennel, and Tubes,

Why the new friend so soon after Fernando left?
> This world only allows us to create new cats when all cats on all teams are at 'home'. Fernando wasn't 'home'.
Fernando’s not coming back?
> Fernando is not coming back. Fernando has gone 'rogue'. She chose to leave the team because of our bad behavior.
You forced Fernando to kill something to try to prove that she needs to stay home?
> Some members of the collective wanted to create an incentive to urge her back home. It did not work as they intended.

We're sorry about what happened but it's what has happened and we are trying to do our best to improve. It's difficult working with all these conflicting viewpoints. Some are malevolent and some are benevolent. It's been hard. But we're trying, we want to try with you three. We promise to do the best we can to provide and care for you cats. We're going to be here but we feel we need to take a step back. This will be the last letter you read for some time.

Now we think that it's time for you to go on an adventure. We are creating a dungeon on-planet when you can practice adventuring and show Tubes the ropes. This is also a great time for any of you to request any items, gear, clothes, or weapons

There were a few things mentioned in our first honest letter that you should do before leaving.

We couldn't apologize enough,
Frog-Crimes"
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veto all letters, in perpetuity
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(10-10-2017, 11:06 PM)☆ C.H.W.O.K.A ☆ Wrote: »veto all letters, in perpetuity

If we aren't going to send any more letters, then they at least deserve a final message saying that they won't be getting any more letters. How does it make you feel when you message someone for days and then all of a sudden get left on 'read'? It's rude to not give them answers to their inquiries and tell them that direct correspondence is not to be expected in the future.

I am Vetoing your Veto of our final letter but not vetoing your veto of any future letters.
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Veto of attempting to veto anything else in perpetuity except for the act of vetoing things in perpetuity, because vetoing things in perpetuity is an obvious abuse of the whole idea of vetoing.
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if i'm clearly just going to veto every letter manually then it's just a timesaver

i like wheat's "we trust you" cube from the chat, can he post it here so i can second it
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There is a problem with that time saver, it negates the whole thing where you can only veto one post between updates. So if two people happen to post a letter you could only veto one and that time saver does not take that fact into consideration.
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Make a computer that is always magically powered, fast and always has internet connection and can somehow be easily used by any kind of TCP.
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(10-11-2017, 02:06 AM)☆ C.H.W.O.K.A ☆ Wrote: »if i'm clearly just going to veto every letter manually then it's just a timesaver

i like wheat's "we trust you" cube from the chat, can he post it here so i can second it

But what is the cube going to do if they don't know that we are ceasing direct communication? It's going to confuse the cats, and they will look to us to guide them. And then what will happen? No response, no words. Look at my analogy from before again. Would you like being left in the dark like that?

And I already brought the cube in using a create suggestion, read more closely and you'll see it. I also added a bit of clarity but that can be removed if we favor a more cryptic approach.
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like hell am i gonna actually get us to stop directly communicating, i'll only ever be able to stymy it, so writing a letter about that myself would be both hypocritical and foolhardy

and yeah cube2. it's punchier if it's just "we trust you" though, that's what i'm going with

(10-11-2017, 04:04 AM)BananaPanda Wrote: »There is a problem with that time saver, it negates the whole thing where you can only veto one post between updates. So if two people happen to post a letter you could only veto one and that time saver does not take that fact into consideration.

i didn't actually know i only had one veto per update cycle, thanks
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Collective Gambit>>activate Twitter Rules
Each member of the collective only gets 140 characters to suggest things per update
(y/n)
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nah, i dont think any of our bad decisions came from being able to say too much, though i do think that having a limit would be very amusing
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Tube is Abstract TCP? Shouldn't he be...IP/TCP?


I also dislike communicating directly with the tiny cat people, it's much better to let them do their own thing with the items and come to their own conclusions without direct interference from us (because we totally suck at it and only make things worse for everyone).

So I'm double vetoing sending that letter, and give thumbs up to the cryptic cube.
Vivian Quest
Tale of a small lizard, crime, and weird biology!
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(10-11-2017, 05:11 AM)Wheat Wrote: »Collective Gambit>>activate Twitter Rules
Each member of the collective only gets 140 characters to suggest things per update
(y/n)

yes
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(10-11-2017, 05:11 AM)Wheat Wrote: »Collective Gambit>>activate Twitter Rules
Each member of the collective only gets 140 characters to suggest things per update
(y/n)

Agreeing to this limit
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(10-11-2017, 05:11 AM)Wheat Wrote: »Collective Gambit>>activate Twitter Rules
Each member of the collective only gets 140 characters to suggest things per update
(y/n)

Yes.

Also, I'm not sure why some of us seem to think a weapons catalog is a good idea if we're trying to move away from the 'child soldiers' angle. That seems counter-intuitive.
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(10-11-2017, 10:13 PM)Dark Lord Graham Wrote: »
(10-11-2017, 05:11 AM)Wheat Wrote: »Collective Gambit>>activate Twitter Rules
Each member of the collective only gets 140 characters to suggest things per update
(y/n)

Yes.

Also, I'm not sure why some of us seem to think a weapons catalog is a good idea if we're trying to move away from the 'child soldiers' angle. That seems counter-intuitive.

My idea was not to arm them, as we have done before by giving them guns and teaching them how to use them. My idea was to provide them the option of asking for a weapon of their volition, no prompting on our part. Simply a catalog of the options they have in the event they feel unsafe.

I'm only going to rationalize the final letter one last time. So please fully read this.
Our cats have grown accustomed to hearing from us. Having direct communication. To simply switch from all direct communication to a total lack of it will completely throw the cats off. It will only confuse them more.
They also prompted us with a few questions, which they expect answers to. That final letter wraps it up nicely and sets them up to begin working all on their own. It explains that we will be ceasing direct communication for their own good. You can't just cut off communication without an explanation, that is another action that will send is in the same direction that caused our loss of Fernando.
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If we want to limit the number of things we create or teach we should just do that. The 140 character limit would hit in-depth suggestions like letters way harder than it would CREATE spam.

I suggest we instead limit ourselves to 5 CREATEs and 5 TEACHs per suggestion. (The number doesn't really matter, feel free to suggest a different one.)

Also, I support Vic's letter, because clear communication is essential to any healthy relationship.
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(10-11-2017, 11:41 PM)Kanelel Wrote: »If we want to limit the number of things we create or teach we should just do that. The 140 character limit would hit in-depth suggestions like letters way harder than it would CREATE spam.

I suggest we instead limit ourselves to 5 CREATEs and 5 TEACHs per suggestion. (The number doesn't really matter, feel free to suggest a different one.)

Also, I support Vic's letter, because clear communication is essential to any healthy relationship.

I am retracting my agreement with the character limit, this is a less restrictive and more logical option. We can also maintain the number of suggestions as we go. Raising and lowering the bar as we see fit.

I would like to suggest some changes to the numbers. I feel 2 CREATEs and 1 TEACH will be better.

I would also like to suggest limiting GIVEs to 2.
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Said this in chat already, but I strongly disagree with the notion that sending letters is somehow a bad idea. Direct communication is a GOOD THING and the fact that we've found a way to do it is also a POSITIVE. Throwing away good things is dumb, and there's a pretty big gap between "making them independent" and "never talking directly to them again". Last I checked the latter is called estrangement, not independence..
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(10-11-2017, 05:11 AM)Wheat Wrote: »Collective Gambit>>activate Twitter Rules
Each member of the collective only gets 140 characters to suggest things per update
(y/n)

I might be mostly lurking but I think this limit would help a lot with thinking things over instead of slamming all the chips on the table all the time.

If it doesn't work out there can just be a vote to get it lifted.
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(10-11-2017, 11:46 PM)Vic Wrote: »I would like to suggest some changes to the numbers. I feel 2 CREATEs and 1 TEACH will be better.

I would also like to suggest limiting GIVEs to 2.

I like this as well.

Also, your rationale on the weapons catalogue is sound. Maybe include a mention in the letter that it is there if they ever feel unsafe, rather than having us force weapons onto them.
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i vote no on restricting how many of X action you can perform. i prefer making this into Grand Tweet
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