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Vic
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Jac, I wholeheartedly agree on the patronizing, TCPs are like children. They aren't actually children.

Though you never know. Windy and Fennel have had a lot of time to themselves and we made them an encyclopedia, we saw that they were reading before coming out when we spawned Fernando.
09-12-2017, 10:03 PM
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Oh, I forgot to say this publicly in here, but re: veto restrictions -
I think it'd be best, for now, if the rule was that [b]you can veto as much of one single post as you want.[b/] So, you can select one specific command, or several commands, or just the whole post if it's obviously a bunch of session-derailing nonsense, but you can't veto anything from any other posts afterward.

I'll say right now, if this restriction doesn't work out, I'll change it later. Whatever's good for the threads.

(on another note, I can... usually tell which suggestions are jokes and shouldn't even be considered. Usually. So troll suggestions won't need to be vetoed unless they actually get support votes, is how I see it. :y )
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09-12-2017, 10:26 PM
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Quote:They're a blank slate, but they don't seem to go through any actual sort of childhood state. Even with good intentions it might feel kind of patronising.
makes sense

if there is a "childhood" state for them it's the point when they haven't learned anything yet which is quickly remedied by learning things. so if we went with that (we won't) the "childhood" wouldn't be very long (maybe up to the span of the next TCP spawning at which point they get a graduation ceremony) and we wouldn't refer to them as such for long. it'd just be neat to see how the TCPs choose to teach and raise a TCP while we take a backseat. We could even learn a few things on how TCPs should be treated. also it might be some nice fluff

but yeah, I didn't suggest it in thread because it seems like it would be too much

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09-13-2017, 01:21 AM
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TCPs might not have a childhood stage, but they are very child-like because they're naive, trusting, and don't know much about world. Well, at least ours were in the beginning -_-
Anyhow that means they need to be looked after and treated well.

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09-13-2017, 07:43 AM
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I think at some point (definitely not straight away, temperament would be important for this) it might be worthwhile to teach a TCP "diplomacy" or "mediation" or something along those lines.
As they aren't burdened with 30 competing voices they'd probably be better at it than Frog Crimes.
09-13-2017, 09:46 AM
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Not gonna update the story for a bit since I'm trying to focus on IRL stuff, but I figured I should post a snippet of my reference material for TCP types.

These are the type categories we have learned about in the thread thus far:
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09-21-2017, 08:02 PM
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Is that a sign that we may have accidentally created an abstract-type? Internet's eyes aren't a solid black shape. It's similar to the Story-type in the picture and Fennel's and Windy's. Oh dear, we may have doomed ourselves.

Also, is the story-type reading a floating stone slab?
09-21-2017, 10:18 PM
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(09-21-2017, 10:18 PM)FlanDab Wrote: Also, is the story-type reading a floating stone slab?

Perhaps an example cropped out that we haven't unlocked yet.

Also, yes, I do believe we've made another Abstract. Has science gone too far?
09-21-2017, 11:43 PM
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Should we install a firewall in the session to keep the malicious information from messing with the universe?

Also, I've noticed that we're inclined towards messages and letters.
09-22-2017, 06:28 AM
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I wouldn't say that "internet" has much to do with the fabric of space, we haven't seen internet's type category yet so it doesn't fit under "type categories learned about in the thread".
Then again who knows.

I think it was more that it was advised not to make too many abstract TCPs because they are dangerous (and the admin might get involved) rather than because it inherently dooms you. Our first two are very good, we'd just have to not fuck up... and we're very very good at that, right?
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09-22-2017, 11:17 AM
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Well... the Internet is a well of boundless knowledge, bogus, and bunkum (or at least our internet). We don't know what it's capable yet. It could download stuff, purchase stuff, and may even attempt to get into the god communication network. Though, in this relatively empty realm, there might be negligible amounts or even no computers, servers, and devices out there, as far as we know; Internet-type TCP may have no access to such powerful machines, utilities, and wells of knowledge as we have here on Earth as there are no servers serving the information, so its capabilities is at least crippled a bit, but that is assuming that it doesn't have access to contents of our internet, only the one that exists there or around them.

You're right about it not dooming us. I just like being a bit dramatic. It also is kinda my reaction when I do something wrong or don't know what I should do when I should do something.

You're probably right about it not having much to do much with the fabric of the universe. It probably has the just as much abstract power made concrete manifested into space as Charity, and Generosity (that is assuming that they are actually have reasonably low manipulative ability to their surroundings).
09-22-2017, 12:21 PM
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hopefully if we teach them right and don't instantly get super heavy (which might turn them into a brooding cyberpunk) internet can fill our session with memes and shitposts. please keep our baby boy a carefree goof or they will inevitably hack our darpanet

try to not overthink the grand plan of our cats functions or whatever and how to Use Their Powers bc that has had bad results so far. let our cats have fun and friendship and good times

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09-23-2017, 06:56 PM
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Thanks Jac for deflecting that shitty 4chan joke that was made in awful taste.
09-23-2017, 11:06 PM
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Did we decide if we want Macaron to tell us the prize or not?
09-24-2017, 04:55 AM
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(09-24-2017, 04:55 AM)Vic Wrote: Did we decide if we want Macaron to tell us the prize or not?

Nobody mentioned it. I don't think anybody reacted negatively about learning the prize. They'll probably tell us, but that's uncertain. I'd rather remain passive in that matter but it is interesting and I would like to know it. Knowledge is power after all.
09-24-2017, 09:49 AM
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I think that after the next update we should look into talking with some of the other gods. The communicator showed two other names, those being Marzu and Rein, and I think we should introduce ourselves.
10-04-2017, 11:00 PM
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(10-04-2017, 11:00 PM)Vic Wrote: I think that after the next update we should look into talking with some of the other gods. The communicator showed two other names, those being Marzu and Rein, and I think we should introduce ourselves.

Totally agree.
10-05-2017, 02:20 AM
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Can we retract our vetoes?
10-05-2017, 07:30 AM
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(10-05-2017, 07:30 AM)FlanDab Wrote: Can we retract our vetoes?

you should just get someone to veto your vetoes
10-05-2017, 12:51 PM
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Vic
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I've written a rough draft for our next letter addressing Windy's questions and giving the cats a suggestion on what they should do next.

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Create Letter:
"Dearest Windy, Fennel, and Tubes,

Why the new friend so soon after Fernando left?
> This world only allows us to create new cats when all cats on all teams are at 'home'. Fernando wasn't 'home'.
Fernando’s not coming back?
> Fernando is not coming back. Fernando has gone 'rogue'. She chose to leave the team because of our bad behavior.
You forced Fernando to kill something to try to prove that she needs to stay home?
> Some members of the collective wanted to create an incentive to urge her back home. It did not work as they intended.

We're sorry about what happened but it's what has happened and we are trying to do our best to improve. It's difficult working with all these conflicting viewpoints. Some are malevolent and some are benevolent. It's been hard. But we're trying, we want to try with you three. We promise to do the best we can to provide and care for you cats.
Now we think that it's time for you to go on an adventure. We are creating a dungeon on-planet when you can practice adventuring and show Tubes the ropes. This is also a great time for any of you to request any items, gear, clothes, or weapons
There were a few things mentioned in our first honest letter that you should do before leaving.

We couldn't apologize enough,
Frog-Crimes"

Create: Weapons Catalog

Message Marzu: Did you know that, where we come from, your name is part of the name of a cheese? It's a Sardinia sheep milk cheese that contains live insect larvae. It's a delicacy in some countries on our planet.

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Any thoughts? Anything we can do to change this letter, before I put it in the thread, for the better?

The Marzu message is a joke, btw.

The dungeon was suggested by learning-timebuster and I think it's a good idea. Give Tubes a place to practice before sending him out into the great wide maze.
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10-09-2017, 08:08 PM
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I'm glad the cats are friends

I don't think we should be sending a new letter every update
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10-09-2017, 09:20 PM
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Vic
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(10-09-2017, 09:20 PM)Jacquerel Wrote: I'm glad the cats are friends

I don't think we should be sending a new letter every update

Truth and honesty are necessary for a healthy relationship. We still need to talk to them and communicate with our cats. Letters are what the cats are familiar with. What do you suggest instead of sending another letter, that will preserve the transparency that we're working towards?
10-09-2017, 09:26 PM
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Tubes... is a Meta-level TCP. It can access the 'internet', that probably includes our communications with other beings (if it goes into its powered-up state). Part of the reason I "veto'd" the 'hacker laptop' is because of how bad I personally think it is to give such a dangerous thing to a new TCP. Tubes could (and probably would) communicate with us and more if he had that. I hope the VTech Whiz Kid Plus laptop would limit his ability to affect things too much. It is also best to start them off with simpler tools and stuff. If we give them stuff to advanced too early... we might have them end up like Fernando. We need to slowly introduce the idea such concepts to them.

So... as far as communicating goes... for now, we should stop. We shouldn't communicate directly. We should do it indirectly. They can get a general sense for what we're saying and what we mean if we convey enough feeling into it. Sending them a letter all the time also limits their independence. We need them to be able to not always rely on us, but we have gone about teaching them that in the wrong way previously. So... IF we're to communicate with them... it should be through the Mail-Carrier. We could create a fax machine on the Mail-carrier's moon that we can "make letters" to that they can then deliver. The purpose would be to limit the letters we could send and also to show that we need to be more distant. We need to convey that they can't rely on us for everything. We can try to do what we feel is best but they will need to grow to be semi-self-reliant. Even if it hurts. >.>
10-09-2017, 11:54 PM
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10-10-2017, 04:15 AM
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gloomy I will agree not to immediately suggest a different sort of hacker style computer and stick your the whiz kid plus computer for now if you agree that later on they will "level up" to hacker status once they join computer club in high school and find out just how bad dick cheney is, and convert their whiz kid plus into a fully fledged cyberwar rig in a montage set to euro techno music.

please agree/disagree to this now to prevent me vetoing your veto. there will be cyberpunk.


(10-09-2017, 09:26 PM)Vic Wrote: What do you suggest instead of sending another letter, that will preserve the transparency that we're working towards?
i suggest a giant block that they can look at whenever they are lacking a letter and it says "we trust you". then we can be not-helicopter-parents

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